RE: [aus-dotnet] VS 2005 Pricing

[paul keen]

Frank

Two points concerning the empower program.

1. No price has been mentioned for empower with the new MSDN subscriptions.
2. Quite a few of us are 1 and 2 developer companies. Empower is targeted at
developing companies that grow into Certified and Gold Certified Partners.
However, many of us are not interested in climbing onto that treadmill, but
would rather concentrate on quality of product and personalized customer
service and maybe a  $100K+ per year. The new MSDN subscriptions would,
after two years, constitute a large cost component for ongoing support in
this scenario.

P.S. Go Saints

Paul Keen
Peake Commercial Pty Ltd

-----Original Message-----
From: dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Frank Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:45 AM
To: dotnet@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [aus-dotnet] VS 2005 Pricing

David et al

This is why we introduced Empower for the startups you refer to. This is
an MSDN universal (with 5 user licences) for $875
http://www.microsoft.com/australia/partner/communities/isv/empower/  


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> |-----Original Message-----
> |From: dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> |Behalf Of David Jordan
> |Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 8:34 AM
> |To: dotnet@xxxxxxxxxxx
> |Subject: RE: [aus-dotnet] VS 2005 Pricing
> |
> |One of the reasons I started using Microsoft environment around 15
years
> |ago
> |was that as a software house to buy a small Unix box and Unix
licenses
> |was
> |pushing to the $100k mark.  I was able to buy an Intel box with
Windows
> |NT
> |for a couple of thousand dollars and it allowed me to start up
without
> |major
> |debt.
> |
> |Whilst Microsoft is entitled to get a Return on their Investment and
it
> |is a
> |public listed company that requires making a profit, I do have a
concern
> |that Microsoft is becoming the Unix vendor of 15 years ago and linux
is
> |becoming the new Microsoft.  If we price Microsoft outside of the
> |developers
> |reach for startups then new developments will be written for linux
> |instead
> |of windows and this is where linux will start winning market share
from
> |windows in the near future just the same way as windows won over Unix
> |sites.
> |
> |Whilst Microsoft consider MSDN a great deal with 5/10 licenses of all
> |these
> |products, the fact is that around 90% of software houses are 4 and
less
> |staff and most are around 1 to 2 staff.  For a startup who has
limited
> |resources, MSDN is difficult to justify.  If they don't purchase
MSDN,
> |then
> |they are less likely to expand their solution to incorporate other
> |Microsoft
> |solutions like Sharepoint, Project, etc.
> |
> |Whilst Microsoft has worked hard to support the ISV community and
have to
> |be
> |congratulated for their efforts I do have concern that price will
justify
> |the move to linux for many new developers for reasons right or wrong.
> |
> |My 2c worth
> |
> |David Jordan
> |
> |
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