RE: [aus-dotnet] VS 2005 Pricing

[David Kean]

Team Suite does come with MSDN Universal, however Team Foundation
doesn't.

I think you get to choose one product from Team Suite, ie Architect,
Developer or Tester.

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<WARNING - MINAS IS RANTING AGAIN>

I still couldn't find anything on Team Foundation Server. Is that
included with anything other than Team Suite? I think they should make
the Team Suite available to MSDN Universal subscribers (selfish yeah,
whatever). I mean, half the time, I end up being
architect/developer/tester anyway. Many of us around here do. Why should
I have a separate license to do all three things!!! That's not really
fair from the way I see things. Please REMOVE SILO's, DON'T introduce
new ones. THey're there in the Development Lifecycle, but often done in
close proximity with one another (extreme etc.). Microsoft is putting
the brakes on our development efforts by doing this sort of thing.


Cheers
Minas Casiou
Information Systems Architect, Senior Consultant

CSC Australia
Enterprise Business Solutions
Financial Services
26 Talavera Road
Macquarie Park NSW
2113 Australia
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the ISVs have renewed their membership to empower. Nothing sinister. All
pretty simple

Frank Arrigo |  Microsoft Pty |  Group Manager |  Developer Platform
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"Have you hugged a developer today?"

> |-----Original Message-----
> |From: dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> |Behalf Of Taylor, Brett (CALBRIS)
> |Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 9:29 AM
> |To: dotnet@xxxxxxxxxxx
> |Subject: RE: [aus-dotnet] VS 2005 Pricing
> |
> |Out of morbid interest, what happens if you DONT wind up producing a 
> |commercial solution inside the 2 years..?
> |
> |-----Original Message-----
> |From: dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
> |Behalf Of Stephen
> |Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 8:22 AM
> |To: dotnet@xxxxxxxxxxx
> |Subject: Re: [aus-dotnet] VS 2005 Pricing
> |
> |
> |Empower is great for us - except for that small clause about having
to
> |actually write and sell a commercial solution during the subscription

> |period! ;)
> |
> |S.
> |
> |
> |On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:44:39 +0800, Frank Arrigo
<frankarr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> |wrote:
> |> David et al
> |>
> |> This is why we introduced Empower for the startups you refer to.
This
> |is
> |> an MSDN universal (with 5 user licences) for $875 
> |> http://www.microsoft.com/australia/partner/communities/isv/empower/
> |>
> |>
> |> Frank Arrigo |  Microsoft Pty |  Group Manager |  Developer
Platform
> |> Evangelism | http://blogs.msdn.com/frankarr | Email frankarr @ 
> |> microsoft.com | Office +61-2-9870-2406 | Mobile +61-414-987-138 |
Fax
> |> +61-2-9870-2400 |
> |> "Have you hugged a developer today?"
> |> > |-----Original Message-----
> |> > |From: dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dotnet-owner@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> |> > |Behalf Of David Jordan
> |> > |Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 8:34 AM
> |> > |To: dotnet@xxxxxxxxxxx
> |> > |Subject: RE: [aus-dotnet] VS 2005 Pricing
> |> > |
> |> > |One of the reasons I started using Microsoft environment around
15
> |> years
> |> > |ago
> |> > |was that as a software house to buy a small Unix box and Unix
> |> licenses
> |> > |was
> |> > |pushing to the $100k mark.  I was able to buy an Intel box with
> |> Windows
> |> > |NT
> |> > |for a couple of thousand dollars and it allowed me to start up
> |> without
> |> > |major
> |> > |debt.
> |> > |
> |> > |Whilst Microsoft is entitled to get a Return on their Investment
and
> |> it
> |> > |is a
> |> > |public listed company that requires making a profit, I do have a
> |> concern
> |> > |that Microsoft is becoming the Unix vendor of 15 years ago and
linux
> |> is
> |> > |becoming the new Microsoft.  If we price Microsoft outside of
the
> |> > |developers
> |> > |reach for startups then new developments will be written for
linux
> |> > |instead
> |> > |of windows and this is where linux will start winning market
share
> |> from
> |> > |windows in the near future just the same way as windows won over
> |Unix
> |> > |sites.
> |> > |
> |> > |Whilst Microsoft consider MSDN a great deal with 5/10 licenses
of
> |all
> |> > |these
> |> > |products, the fact is that around 90% of software houses are 4
and
> |> less
> |> > |staff and most are around 1 to 2 staff.  For a startup who has
> |> limited
> |> > |resources, MSDN is difficult to justify.  If they don't purchase
> |> MSDN,
> |> > |then
> |> > |they are less likely to expand their solution to incorporate
other
> |> > |Microsoft
> |> > |solutions like Sharepoint, Project, etc.
> |> > |
> |> > |Whilst Microsoft has worked hard to support the ISV community
and
> |> have to
> |> > |be
> |> > |congratulated for their efforts I do have concern that price
will
> |> justify
> |> > |the move to linux for many new developers for reasons right or
wrong.
> |> > |
> |> > |My 2c worth
> |> > |
> |> > |David Jordan
> |> > |
> |> > |
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